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143. Living in Mexico: How to Find Work and Build Income Streams Abroad

• Jessica Cuevas • Season 5 • Episode 143

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This has been the #1 question flooding my DMs and emails: "How did you find work to move to Mexico?" 

In this episode of the "Living in Mexico" series, I'm finally answering your biggest question! I sit down with my husband to share our real, unfiltered experience navigating employment while living abroad. From his remote job to my freelance work, passive income streams, and the realities of working internationally, we're breaking down exactly how we make it work financially in Mexico. 

If you've been dreaming of making the move but feel stuck because of your job situation, this episode is for you.

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What You'll Hear:

  • How to maintain a remote job while living in Mexico, all while earning dolares
  • How to create income stream strategies
  • The importance of deciding what type of lifestyle you want
  • Why starting a business in Mexico is easier than in the US
  • Our biggest piece of advice for overcoming fear

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Alejandro:

Think about what your lifestyle, what type of lifestyle you want to have. I mean, again, there's nothing wrong either way. You want to go. If you want to have a US based job, it's fine. You will definitely have more, um, your money will go a lot further here. Right? Or if, if you choose to have more freedom, more flexibility than. Get a job here in Mexico. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that you'll be highly sought out after if you decide to go the route of being employed here in Mexico as opposed to us.

Jessica:

definitely don't limit yourself. I think, uh, that is a big thing about our. Community, and especially for us, like as children of immigrants, we've definitely seen the limitations that our family has had and still has because of that mindset. It's that scarcity mindset. But if you shift into a mindset of abundance, and I'm not saying like, oh, you have to make this amount of money to be successful. No, there are ways to work around things. There are loopholes, there are opportunities for you to again, think creatively and have this imagination so that you. meet those goals. And I hope this gives you permission to just do it. Do whatever you want. Ola, welcome to the AMI podcast. I'm your host Jessica Cuevas, and in today's episode we will be sharing a lot about one of the biggest questions that you've asked me on Instagram. And based on, um, people reaching out to me, whether it's dms, email, I've received a lot of questions about what do you do for work? How did you make the move to Mexico and securing a job. And so in today's episode, as part of the Living in Mexico series, we will be talking about that. This has been like the number one top question that y'all have been asking me. And I have told you that I promise that I will dedicate a podcast episode, so that we can answer some of your questions, um, related to this topic. And so. For the Living in Mexico series, I have Alex, my husband, and because, like I said, this uh, experience, this new life in Mexico isn't just about me, it's about our family, and obviously Alex, um, is a part of it as well. And so for today, we'll be talking about how to find a job in order to move to Mexico so this has been a very, uh, interesting question, uh, because I feel like I haven't fully answered it out to the public, uh, just because you are the one that is employed in a traditional nine to five for a US based company. Uh, but you have that sort of privilege in working remotely, first of all,

Alejandro:

Is it really a privilege though, I guess financially it probably is, right? Yeah, but I'm still stuck, you know, I'm still stuck here at home. I mean, it's the same thing. Different country, you know, wake up, clock in, do what I gotta do, and clock out and. Be with the family.

Jessica:

Yeah. You're, you're definitely still living the, uh, that American dream, right. You know, working nine to five.

Alejandro:

Always on the grind.

Jessica:

Always on the grind. And I know that a lot of people have asked like, what do you do for work that has allowed. Really us to, to live in the US.

Alejandro:

So initially, um, before we moved to Mexico, um, Jess had told me to maybe talk to my boss and see what, um. If it was even a possibility. And I did. Right. But the thing is that, um, he basically told me that he, we were on the teams call, right? And then all of a sudden I had mentioned it, I was trying to bring it up. He cut me off, called me privately. He is like. Do what you gotta do. I don't wanna know. Just do your work. So, so I'm like, okay. I told Jess and you know, that was pretty much like the, the green light for me. Mm-hmm. And um, yeah, I mean, we've been here ever since. I've been working at the same spot for the past four years. Three, four years.

Jessica:

Yeah. With the company. Yeah. You've been working here for, yeah. Four years and it's all been remote and that it was something that his boss has always told you all about. You know, this is a strictly remote job, even though with the company itself, depending on the position, it's hybrid or you have to be in office. Yeah. But with the type of position that he has, he has that ability to work from home.

Alejandro:

And sometimes we do have to go into the office. Mm-hmm. Um, we were just, uh, called into the office early October, so it's possibly like three times, no, every three months. Quarterly is when sometimes we have to go in, which is not too bad. I mean,

Jessica:

yeah.

Alejandro:

Yeah. So,

Jessica:

yeah, he, you know, I guess the last time you went to the office, we went to the us mm-hmm. It, the timing of it worked perfectly because we went to, um, one of my Peter MA's weddings and so that worked out pretty well.'cause he had to be in the office like a couple days after the wedding. So, but yeah, I think you'll be traveling by yourself, which I'm sure you're excited about. Right. Meanwhile, I'll be here with the kids,

Alejandro:

no kids to look after on the airplane, worry about their safety luggage, uhhuh.

Jessica:

Yeah. But you'll be bringing stuff for me from there. But, uh, yeah, and so considering that, you know, we came to Mexico with a job already secured and the fact that you're earning US dollars, it really helps a lot in living in Mexico. When I. You know, we've talked about costs mm-hmm. In previous episodes, so that's something that you can definitely listen and catch up on. But, you know, as far as with the, with you earning US dollars, does it really make a difference with the life that we have here in Mexico?

Alejandro:

Yes. Um, in like our previous episode that we did mention that there are some areas of like the. Our DLS where it does cost a lot, you know, groceries, gas, but um, yeah, overall the dollar does go a lot further here. Um, so yeah, I mean that's always, that, that's definitely a plus. Mm-hmm.

Jessica:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there are opport to find. Jobs that are based in the US and this is a really hot question. I mean, we are a part of these different Facebook groups about people moving to Mexico and honestly, every day, I kid you not, someone asked that question, how can I find a remote job that is us? That is paid in US dollars where I can live in Mexico. And honestly, it all depends on the type of position. Um, definitely remote will help you, you know, because that's when you don't get to go to the office or anything. Alex is pretty much like in a quarter basis. Some positions might require you to be there once a month, so depending on. You know that, that kind of commitment, whether if you do have to return to the office for a a month or a quarter or once a year, whatever that is up to your discretion, but it's really understanding the fine line. Whether if you are able to work abroad, there are definitely companies that are very rigid, very strict. They're gonna find a way to catch you too. Um, you know, whether if you are working in, in, in an, in a US home-based like office, and there are ways though, and this really spiked during the pandemic when everyone was working remotely from home. Right, for the most part. And there were a lot of ways that people, well, people found ways to work remotely out of their, their country. And in this case, the us outside of the us, they, they were finding ways on how to work remotely without, um, being caught and kind of doing it on the hush hush. So there are ways to. Do that. Mm-hmm. But I think when it comes to ethics, when it comes to, well, in my opinion, if you're watching this, you're seeing Alex's face, he doesn't care. But for me, I would freak out.

Alejandro:

I mean, I am, I, I don't wanna say that I'm living in constant fear. Right. But I mean, that thought does cross my mind that what about like, if I guess IT decides to do like a sweeping inspection or whatever on its employees and see where they're at. I might be in trouble. Right. But that's where you, that's where technology comes into place, right? Mm-hmm. So I mean, I, I, I'd like to think that I took the necessary steps to cover myself.

Jessica:

Right? Right. And you're not the only coworker. Mm-hmm. You know, one of your coworkers said that he would be living. Or moving to India and

Alejandro:

who knows?

Jessica:

And I mean the time difference and everything, I don't know how that would be possible. But considering that there, you did have that leverage. Mm-hmm. And being upfront with your boss and your boss, like, I don't care. But basically it's up to you whether you do get caught through IT. Right. But we you did go through those like strategies Yeah. To find ways, you know. To be kind of like on the safe side. And that is through A VPN, that is through a travel router. Mm-hmm. And if you have any questions about that, let us know. Um, Alex is pretty good with that. He kinda, uh, found his little Yeah.

Alejandro:

Well, hobby there. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, yeah. Yeah. Like, just like I just said, reach out if you have any questions, but again. Use your own discretion.

Jessica:

Mm-hmm. Yeah, definitely. Especially, yeah, like if you want a very traditional nine to five US remote job, there's definitely a lot of remote, like W2, nine to five jobs out there. But it all depends on what those policies look like, again, on how you feel about it and if you're willing to take that risk. Considering that Alex didn't find a job for the purpose of coming to Mexico, I mean, he had already had established mm-hmm. You know, his, his job and, and obviously having a good relationship with his boss, that I'm sure. I mean, obviously it's worked out for us so far so good. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And um, so yeah, so that's another form of income, right? That you can definitely have. But again, it's your up to your discretion, another way of finding employment in. The case of like earning US dollars is to find contract work, uh, to find freelance work like a 10 99 job that you can do remotely. So in my example, I have a freelance job that, you know, I'm very blessed to have a big network of people that really care about me and, and vice versa, right? And so we kind of help each other out. And so I was able to get a freelance job. It's basically. You know, based upon the hours that are needed. And I help and support her with her HR firm. And I help with like the marketing, um, basically project management type of, um. Um, tasks that are needed, um, based upon the need of it. So it's not like it's a con, like a like consistent type of job, if you will, where the hours are consistent. It's all based on like project needs, but at least I'm earning some kind of income. In addition to that, I also secured a temporary contract job, um, which is for an institution in the us And right now I am basically working. Right now I'm in the thick of it, but what I like about it is that I get to pick my own hours. I mean, it's not like I have. Sit within a specific timeframe. It's very flexible as long as I do the job and it's very accommodating because I'm the one who picks up drops off the kids. You know, I do, um, a lot of the things that, you know, are required to do within Alex's work hours. So at least that is giving us that opportunity to earn some income. And it is temporary. So I will be having this job between now and March and the spring. Um, and then we'll see what I can find. I mean, there's a lot of websites out there, Fiverr, Upwork, um,

Alejandro:

remote jobs. Remote jobs.com. Indeed.

Jessica:

Yeah, indeed. There's a lot of opportunities for you to find a position where they need help and it's. Basically just, you know, money that you can earn and accrue and especially when it comes to the cost of living here in Mexico. Where again, there, I guess, but in a way it

Alejandro:

goes further. It goes further, yeah. Yeah,

Jessica:

it goes further.

Alejandro:

Yeah, and housing is definitely a lot cheaper here too. Mm-hmm. So, I mean, before we get into that, I mean, I guess you can, you would have to ask yourself what type of lifestyle do you want to have?

Jessica:

Mm-hmm.

Alejandro:

Right? Mm-hmm. I mean, if your goal is to come here and like buy Ferraris or buy mansions, yeah. I mean, you're gonna get stuck. The better option will be to have a US job. Right. But then again, if you have a US job, in my case, you're just gonna get stuck.

Jessica:

Yeah. You're, you're still living the American way. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And,

Alejandro:

uh, where we live, there's a lot of coffee shops, right. I mean, that would be, I think that would be amazing for me to be able to do that. But again, I would have to be carrying, you know, my router because I have to keep my location. Right. So, uh, yeah, so you gotta ask yourself that. Uh, or if you want a more laid back lifestyle, search up the, like your local, the economy, not the economy, but like your local area where in which you want to live and see if there's any openings there. Because I mean, from what, even though we don't have like, uh, Mexican J per se. Right. But everything that we have seen so far, everything seems super laid back.

Jessica:

Yeah. Like, and that's something that I definitely wanted to talk about. Mm-hmm. In terms of finding a job while living in Mexico. You can create anything, you can do anything here in Mexico. Bottom line. I mean, someone told me, and this was a local, and, and I was telling her about, you know, our job situation and everything and I was like, you know, I. I do hope that Alex finds something more flexible. I mean, that is the goal, right? Mm-hmm. So that he, that so that we wouldn't live in this kind of hamster wheel of like working that nine to five mm-hmm. Very corporate America type job. Um, and what she was telling me, she was like, you know what? Es es yes. So, you know. It doesn't matter what kind of, you know, business you wanna create, it is so doable here in Mexico. And that is because there are no restrictions really. Uh, you don't need specific licenses or, you know, like credentials or permits. I mean, we come from Chicago and having a business in Chicago is so, so hard. It takes like forever to open a business. You need X amount of like licenses and uh, there's like all these protocols and so there's a lot of gatekeeping, I would say in the us. For you to build a business. Whereas here, based on the conversations that I've had with people, it's like you can have your own in the corner of the street and no one's gonna ask for a specific permit. Um, obviously for food and alcohol, there's specific regulations, but it's not as like, uh, constraining. Mm-hmm. Like in the us

Alejandro:

Yeah. I think I forgot who you said, I mentioned this, but San. Freaking make more money than doctors here. Yeah, my friend. Yeah.

Jessica:

Amiga. Yeah. Her, her husband is a, uh, an orthopedic surgeon here. And what she was telling me is that there's a eno that he makes bank. And so, you know, I think it all just depends on the. You know, like how much dedication and willingness and creativity you are willing to put into a specific project to create it into a, a business. Um, and one of my friends who, her husband Sunki, they, he has his own like business and it's thriving and it's growing. And what she was telling me is that the government actually gives you assistance. And, you know, once you apply and submit a proposal in terms of your business plan and everything, the government can give you funds, like literally funding for you to start your business. Whether if it's, if you need a POS system or if you need furniture, or if you need supplies like the, the government can provide you with like. For you to start up your business. Mm-hmm. And then in the US all what you get, yes, there's grants, but you need proof of like income. You need proof of how many people worked for you, like. And it's so hard to get money

Alejandro:

bank loans and if you don't pay'em back, but

Jessica:

yeah. And bank loans, like getting into debt is easy. Mm-hmm. Than receiving free money and starting up a business. And trust me, I know this because I have my business of my own. So Yeah, it's. It's very interesting, um, that yeah, like there's a lot of gatekeeping in the us but if you really wanna make money here, there are definitely ways. Mm-hmm. Another form of making money is finding, um, a. You know, using your own skills and utilizing it. In Mexico, this is kind of similar in building your, your, in making your own business, but if you don't want it so formalized, you know, you can do tutoring. There's a lot of people that tutor English, or you can even find a job here to be an English teacher and work at the schools. And being that you possibly, you know, considering the population of, uh, my listeners here, like if you are bilingual, there's a lot of benefits in that. Because you get to kind of work with your coworkers. You could possibly teach other subjects that are not English. Um, and so there's a lot of opportunities through that. Um, and you can also bring your business, if you are an entrepreneur in the US you can bring it to Mexico and depending on the needs, depending on your markets, right? Like you can still continue to do that. It's just like me with Eva la, you know, technically it's an LLC in the state of Illinois. But I, I am allowing my business to be kind of international, if you will. And that's another form of me, essentially, um, getting income and mm-hmm. Yeah.

Alejandro:

Yeah. And again, it all falls back to what you want your lifestyle to be. Mm-hmm. You want it to be on the grind constantly. US job. Right. If you want to be more laid back, more flexibility, do whatever you wanna do. Work here, get a job here in Mexico.

Jessica:

Yeah. And yeah, and I know that for us, our situation is different because we are getting passive income. Mm-hmm. Um, and if you don't know this, we are property owners. Uh, so we own a building in Chicago and, um, we have three doors, right? So three units within that building, and we get income from that. Um, so anything left over from the mortgage, uh, from the rent that we get, you know, be basically paid pay

Alejandro:

for

Jessica:

housing here. The housing here. Yeah. And so. If in case this is your goal and your plan to move to Mexico or abroad, wherever you end up deciding to want to, to move, uh, think about other ways of getting money, not just being stuck in the nine to five, even though yes, this is what Alex does and for a living, working. So it's working so far, but it's working so far and it is. Keeping us afloat, but there are definitely ways of finding other strings of income. And that could be passive income, like real estate. It could be, you know, like the side hustles that we were talking about, um, creating your own right. Uh, it could be tutoring, it could be just like consulting, like you never know. The sky's the limit. And oftentimes a lot of people are afraid for a little bit of change, like, and that is what doesn't allow them to. Give themselves permission to make a big leap. Mm-hmm. Like what we did.

Alejandro:

And also too, like these are kind of obvious, but not really, right? I mean, because it might be a little bit more difficult and it takes a little bit more time to get money in these, but social media, right? I mean like YouTube, you got your TikTok, your Tiki TikTok, or whatever the hell you call it, and just basically just using that. I mean, if you don't have any, a niche, whatever, right? Record yourself moving, making the big move. There's a lot, there's a big audience for that. Mm-hmm. You can get paid for that too.

Jessica:

Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely ways mm-hmm. In, in finding ways to, to get money. I think it's, it's all about mindset. Um, and I feel like in us first initially getting, you know, buying that building right. It really allowed us to think creatively and finding ways on how, um. To live a better life, I guess.

Alejandro:

And it definitely did make it ea, it made it easier for us to make the move here. Mm-hmm. Because again, if you're gonna make the move, depending on what your lifestyle is over there, what you currently have established, the move is costly.

Jessica:

Yeah. It

Alejandro:

is insanely costly. And I, I can safely say that if we didn't own a building over there. We probably wouldn't have be here right now.

Jessica:

No. Yeah. Yeah. So definitely if, if this is your goal to move, um, abroad, you gotta think about how are you going to receive, like, the funding for the move. This could be selling all of your things. And we definitely did that. Mm-hmm. Like Alex made a lot of money through these, uh, the Facebook market mm-hmm. And selling our things. We did a garage sale. We, um, sold things to friends and family. And so, and we ended up donating the rest, but at least we know that we definitely got a lot of money. Mm-hmm. And that pretty much funded our trip. Yeah. You know, for the most part. And so. Yeah. And there are different ways of doing this. I mean, I don't think we are experts necessarily. Mm-hmm. But considering that we are proof that, you know, we were able to move abroad because of all of these different factors. And Alex having a remote job, like he had been having a remote job for the longest of me, you know, trying to find freelance contract work. You know, my business, like there are different streams of income there and our. Uh, the building that we own, like. It really led us to have the opportunity to dream even bigger and make this move a reality. And so I hope that you don't feel stuck. Um, there are ways to find, um, you know, financial means. And going back to what Alex said, it all depends on what type of lifestyle you wanna have. We would feel a lot richer if we were to choose a ranchito, like where my mm-hmm. Where our families are from. Right. Like we would be making bank.

Alejandro:

Yeah. Or if we were to have, or if we would've have picked a smaller place.

Jessica:

Yeah. Or a smaller place. Yeah. Or uh, or at least like a, yeah, like a house outside of like the main, like mm-hmm. Attract attractions. I mean, things like that mean because she,

Alejandro:

it's crazy just how affordable some of the housing here is. I mean, you can get yourself like a small, very nice three bed or like two bedroom place for like 8,000 PEs, which amounts to what? Like five,$600? Yeah. We on there somewhere. Yeah. And that's doable, right?

Jessica:

It all depends on the amenities. It all depends on what you're looking for. I think for us with this. House, I think we wanted that close proximity to everything. Mm-hmm. Uh, but now we are finding that it's definitely expensive. I mean, groceries are expensive because the only local store that you have is like HEB and now Walmart, you know, like, so these are obviously US based companies. And so for you to do groceries and US based stores, like it's gonna be a lot more expensive than if you were to go to El Mecado. And so now I think we're gonna go to El Mecado because that one was

Alejandro:

money. Yeah. And also too, I mean, I think. It all depends too, like now that we're on the topic about food, right? I mean, if you wanna still have like your u stuff that you could find in the us Yeah. You're gonna spend a lot more money. Mm-hmm. That's why I think we're struggling. Yeah. How she just mentioned too that we're gonna have to make a change. Right. We're gonna have to sacrifice some of the stuff that we buy. Yeah. So we'll see how that goes. No

Jessica:

more what? Uh, like craft craft. Cheese. Cheese

Alejandro:

with the kids. Right? Peanut butter spread. Well you can probably find that, oh yeah. Grandmother money. You can find

Jessica:

like. Like, you know Mexican.

Alejandro:

Yeah,

Jessica:

yeah, yeah. Again, it's, you pick and choose, right? And, and, and again, we often, um, limit ourselves in terms of, well, I only make X amount of money. How am I gonna be able to afford a move? Well, guess what? You can sell your things or I don't wanna sell my house. Okay, well guess what? You can rent your house. Mm-hmm. And so there's. Different ways. I think it's definitely just shifting that mindset and like think cre creatively. Mm-hmm. And talk to your partner if you are in a partner relationship or talk to your family or friends, like those that are willing to listen to you and you're able to just like. I don't know, just like talk out loud in terms of what your dreams and goals and aspirations are, and through that you can find the answers. But sometimes we're very, we limit ourselves through that because we feel like we're like, we think that the possible is impossible, I

Alejandro:

think. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, yeah, for sure. I mean, don't live in fear. Yeah. Right. I mean, like I've said before, I mean, it's always better to know what is instead of what could have been, right? Mm-hmm. I mean, that's one of the biggest reasons why, like me specifically, I chose, we chose, or I finally decided to make the move.'cause before I would always say, I don't want to leave Chicago. Never that. But as you get older, you just want to experience more things. Mm-hmm. Right? And it's, it's, you don't want to be. In your old age and just be like, we should have done this when we had the chance, or when we were healthier, when whatnot. Right. So I mean, if you have the capacity, if you're healthy, I mean, if you have a decent amount of savings, if you want to leave, do it.

Jessica:

Yeah. Yeah. Yolo, you know, I know no one uses that anymore, but think about

Alejandro:

that Nike saying just do it. Right. So,

Jessica:

yes. And. One of the things that doesn't make us feel like fearful, in terms of, sustaining ourselves here on, on an economic standpoint is that we are dual citizens. If Alex decides to quit his job, guess what? Leon is a booming city. Mm-hmm. In the automotive industry, and that's where Alex comes from. Yeah. So guess what? He can find a job here. And those are the benefits of being a dual citizen. Even for me, like I can find any like position here, whether if it's administrative or education because it come from that background. And so in a way, like it doesn't make me feel like conflicted or restricted in terms of, you know, having a job. Or being employed because we can always find a job in Mexico because we are dual citizens. And so if you have any interest in becoming a dual citizen and if you are of Mexican heritage, whether if it's your parents or even your grandparents,'cause there's a way to work around that, uh, I will be hosting a free masterclass. It is only going to take 30 minutes long. Promise, because I know we're all busy as mamas, as parents. And so in this masterclass you are going to find how you can get dual citizenship in Mexico. So I will link the, uh, registration page in the show notes or in the description of this YouTube channel, and that way you can sign up. It will be on Thursday, November 13th at 7:00 PM Central time. So Alex, what is one tip of advice that you can give to someone who is afraid to make a change? Because they feel conflicted or restricted with their job and they think that they will not find a job so that they can achieve their dreams of moving to Mexico or anywhere else besides the us.

Alejandro:

again, it all goes back to what I said earlier, right? Just. Think about what your lifestyle, what type of lifestyle you want to have. I mean, again, there's nothing wrong either way. You want to go. If you want to have a US based job, it's fine. You will definitely have more, um, your money will go a lot further here. Right? Or if, if you choose to have more freedom, more flexibility than. Get a job here in Mexico. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that you'll be highly sought out after if you decide to go the route of being employed here in Mexico as opposed to us.

Jessica:

Yeah, yeah. You still feel like you're in the us, right?

Alejandro:

I do. Yeah, I really do. Yeah. But I mean, again, I mean our situation is different, right? I mean, we have to pay for the kids' tuition and other stuff. Yeah, yeah,

Jessica:

yeah. And we just got here, you know, we definitely wanna feel a sense of, um, stability and mm-hmm. And again, we don't know if we're gonna live here long term yet, but we are in the process of looking for a possible house. Mm-hmm. Um, and with that in itself, we have to show this amount of income. And being that it is a nine to five, you know, us job it. Will essentially look like the money is multiplied, right? Mm-hmm. Based on the income that you are receiving. So it all depends on what your goals are, as how you said, but also your long-term goals too. Mm-hmm. And if you are interested in buying property in the country that you wanna move to, like in Mexico, like, you know, you do have to show income and it all depends on. How much it is and you know how much you make and all of that. So just putting those things into consideration. But yeah, definitely don't limit yourself. I think, uh, that is a big thing about our. Community, and especially for us, like as children of immigrants, we've definitely seen the limitations that our family has had and still has because of that mindset. It's that scarcity mindset. But if you shift into a mindset of abundance, and I'm not saying like, oh, you have to make this amount of money to be successful. No, there are ways to work around things. There are loopholes, there are opportunities for you to again, think creatively and have this imagination so that you. meet those goals. Mm-hmm. And, and so I hope you take, you know, this into consideration. Uh, like I said, we're not experts, but this has been our experience and so far it's worked out for us. And I hope this gives you permission to just do it. Do whatever you want.

Alejandro:

And we're humans, right? We learn as we go. That's, we have, that's, that's what, that's why a lot of the human race to evolve, right? Because you learn from experience. So, yep. Don't be afraid of experience.

Jessica:

All right. Good advice, Alex. All right. Well, thank you so much for listening in the next episode.